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Post by Ottawa Senators on May 21, 2020 13:01:47 GMT -5
This is the strongest argument against, and if you just said straight up its not worth the effort for you, then I'd have a hard time arguing against that. I don't know how the sim program works so I have no idea what work would be required on that end to add another team to the league. typically over time sim sites start dwindling from the original peeps and now we're potentially running 2-3 teams each. I find interest in sim sites dwindles over time in leagues that start in current year, and move to the point where all the stars have retired and the good players are guys nobody has ever heard of. That wouldn't happen here. Or we all have just awesome stacked teams in a league of 21. Personally, I think it would be less enjoyable, not more, to have a bunch of legit NHLers buried on teams never getting any playing time, and have first liners on peoples 3rd lines. Otherwise, if we expanded, and people started to leave, do we fold franchises? Would this happen? I just don't think this would happen. Though it would be a big factor. If a GM would quit because we're doing expansion, then thats a solid argument against it. There is a difference though in a GM preferring it didn't happen, and a GM straight up quitting because of it. |
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Post by XX - Former Canadiens - XX on May 21, 2020 13:13:52 GMT -5
Ok heres my legit proposal for expansion. Bring in San Jose, Ottawa, Tampa, Anaheim, and Colorado (the real next 5 expansion teams, but with Colorado instead of Florida, cause who cares about the Panthers). This brings us to an even 26 teams. Bring in San Jose, then Ottawa/Tampa, then Colorado/Anaheim. Bring in San Jose before the 1996 entry draft. This gives us time to make trades to ready our teams for expansion. For the '96 expansion, teams can protect 14 players and 2 goalies. San Jose picks one player from each team, and can make trades with teams who want to protect players (eg. Pittsburgh can trade them a 1st to take a minor leaguer, instead of losing one of their better players). San Jose is given the highest odds in the lottery, but isn't guaranteed the 1st overall pick (but at least 2nd). The following offseason (before the '97 draft), bring in Ottawa and Tampa. Teams can protect 12 players and 1 goalie. Ottawa and Tampa have the highest odds at the 1st overall pick, and are guaranteed to pick at least 2/3. If neither of those teams win the lottery, they do a coin flip for the 2nd/3rd pick order. Two seasons later (before the '99 draft), bring in Anaheim and Colorado with the same expansion draft rules as the '97 expansion draft. Protection lists get submitted ahead of time. San Jose's GM just has to submit their list. OTT/TB and COL/ANA would have to do it live, but could coordinate a time to do it between the two of them. Realignment would have to be done after the '99 expansion, and there are a few fun ways we could go about doing it, but the traditional East-West would probably be the easiest way to go about it. It is complicated slightly by Quebec not relocating, but we can deal with that at a later time. In the mean time, San Jose can go in the Smythe division, Ottawa to the Norris, and Tampa to the Wales, which would give each division an even 6 teams. Very cool. And you forgot the part where you have 5 friends that are excited to be just as active as you are to join the site and really motivate us to want to expand to maintain that activity! So exciting! Just have more kids and make them join the site |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on May 21, 2020 13:39:32 GMT -5
Very cool. And you forgot the part where you have 5 friends that are excited to be just as active as you are to join the site and really motivate us to want to expand to maintain that activity! So exciting! Just have more kids and make them join the site Now THERE's a guy coming to the table with sOLUTIONS! |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings on May 21, 2020 13:53:19 GMT -5
I could get three people to join easily. Would they be active? Probs not. But they'd be here.
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Post by Winnipeg Jets on May 21, 2020 16:34:32 GMT -5
I could get three people to join easily. Would they be active? Probs not. But they'd be here. That's worse isn't it? If I joined here and didn't engage with anyone and refused to make trades then all I am doing is locking up a roster. To me the biggest downside is that by expanding you increase the number of teams that miss the playoffs. Rebuilding is fun but it also can drag on and if you rebuild to only having a 50% chance to make the playoffs while a person like you has 3 teams in the playoffs to me ruins the experience. I love the idea of expanding while there is a wait list. If 1-2 people come in and are active and waiting for a team that isn't becoming available (assuming no one leaves to open up that team) then expansion is the perfect answer. It would even give those people something fun to do (pretend to be an owner looking to build an arena in Colorado? Ottawa? Vegas in 1997? Why the heck not?). |
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Post by Detroit Red Wings on May 21, 2020 17:24:52 GMT -5
I could get three people to join easily. Would they be active? Probs not. But they'd be here. That's worse isn't it? If I joined here and didn't engage with anyone and refused to make trades then all I am doing is locking up a roster. To me the biggest downside is that by expanding you increase the number of teams that miss the playoffs. Rebuilding is fun but it also can drag on and if you rebuild to only having a 50% chance to make the playoffs while a person like you has 3 teams in the playoffs to me ruins the experience. I love the idea of expanding while there is a wait list. If 1-2 people come in and are active and waiting for a team that isn't becoming available (assuming no one leaves to open up that team) then expansion is the perfect answer. It would even give those people something fun to do (pretend to be an owner looking to build an arena in Colorado? Ottawa? Vegas in 1997? Why the heck not?). There are already people here now though that do not talk or do anything. What has the new Whalers done since joining other than draft? Chicago doesn't ever post, although he does do trades from time to time, and there's a couple other teams that don't post hardly ever. It'd be hardly any different. |
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Post by XX - Former Canadiens - XX on May 21, 2020 17:46:58 GMT -5
Are there gms still with 2 teams here now?
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on May 21, 2020 18:43:10 GMT -5
Are there gms still with 2 teams here now? Nope. We are shockingly a full league in 2020. It may only be 21 people, but dammit, that's surprising. We honestly thought this would strike fire and be a cool club of like 12 people, and then maybe eventually dwindle down to an Original 6 or something. But here we are. Entering Season 5, six months in, and people are digging it. I can't really ask for anything more than that, despite the wacky stats we might have. You guys are all awesome, and the fact you guys want to do cool shit here is pretty motivating and fun for me, because it means it's not just a site I made to pander to my own obsessions lol So right now, while I honestly don't think expansion is in the cards, we are intending on doing an Era 2, and if we get more people that are active, we'll re-evaluate then. The nice thing is that there's lots of plans in here that we can explore if that time comes. Your ideas are beneficial for that alone. |
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Post by Winnipeg Jets on May 21, 2020 18:44:49 GMT -5
Are there gms still with 2 teams here now? Nope. You're welcome. muhahahaha  |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on May 21, 2020 18:46:03 GMT -5
I updated my post lol
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Post by Minnesota Wild on May 21, 2020 22:25:17 GMT -5
I'd do no ratings for era 2.
Fuck it all. Base it off stats. Let's be real GM's.
Ain't no Kyle Dubas calling up David Poile being like "Hey David, I have a trade offer for you - My 92 rated Mitchell Marner for your 94 rated Roman Josi."
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