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Post by Edmonton Oilers on May 7, 2020 22:17:03 GMT -5
Please note, this is a DISCUSSION, not any indication we are moving forward with anything, or any ideas are set in stone. I am REALLY curious to see what everyone thinks, and hear everyone's ideas about this in full detail. Questions to address: 1) How many new teams? 1a) How do we decide? Do we vote? Do we start with 1 per season and move gradually? 1b) Can I bring in Colorado without moving Quebec? (Because I want both here) 2) How do we do it? Expansion draft? Build them from Free agency? 2a) If expansion draft, how many players per team are we exposing? 3) Clearly state you are okay moving back farther in the draft. Especially for picks you traded good assets for. 4) How do you feel about having a would-be 1st overall pick that becomes a later pick because of expansion, then seeing that pick go to a fellow GM's SECOND team, rather than your only team. Are the majority of us okay with this? 5) What is your favourite part about the IDEA of expansion? 6) Would you be opposed to a new expansion draft system that takes team depth into account or possibly allows people to take multiple players from a single team? (so, for example, a team playing 78s overall is not forced to lose a 78 they play while another team gets to keep an 82 that they do not play cuz depth?) 7) Will you rage-quit like a little bitch if we bring in an expansion? Expansion draft? Other? 8) Without factoring in league numbers and members, just looking an NHL history and draft history etc, when (what year) do you think would be ideal for an expansion? 9) (Original) Austin is new. 9) (edited after Mike's first reply) Every time Toronto Maple Leafs thinks, his penis turns into an innie. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on May 7, 2020 22:22:48 GMT -5
mmm number 9 really made me think.
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Post by Winnipeg Jets on May 7, 2020 22:24:58 GMT -5
I do not mind expansion at all and I'm open to any way you want to do it but I have a couple of suggestions: A) It is better to do it if we have the people who want teams. Expansion forces more people to miss the playoffs and having someone with 2 teams make it while someone with 1 team doesn't is unfortunate. B) If you plan to have Colorado AND Quebec (which is an awesome idea), then there is no reason to expand for the sake of expanding and without a wait list since we are changing "history" anyway. C) I would probably do a "protect X" system. either similar to the way the NHL did it or something more balanced for this site's setup. It would trigger more deals. Then after the draft they can use FA to fill in their roster by getting priority over every other team. Another balancing move. D) I do not mind moving back in the draft, especially if we get more people. 9) who is Austin? did I meet him? should I meet him?  |
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Post by Winnipeg Jets on May 7, 2020 22:25:49 GMT -5
you edited #9 and I am not changing my answer. I assume now Austin is the name for.....you know never mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 22:29:45 GMT -5
Until we have people wanting teams, expansion is pointless. I would also be totally against GM's managing 2 teams. Things are working here right now, why ruin that?
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Post by Minnesota Wild on May 7, 2020 22:30:50 GMT -5
Why I think expansion will be good;
- Prevent teams from hoarding every single player they like. Force teams to give up someone good.
- We went from high 70's players getting played to now low 80's getting sat. Soon, the 4th lines will be made up on mid 80's players. Everyone is going to be stacked.
- Lesser, but Adding an expansion draft will create trade flurry. We're ok for now but in a few seasons most teams will be "content" and activity will diminish. It happens in every sim league.
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on May 7, 2020 22:34:56 GMT -5
Hard and fast rule: Expansion teams must suck, otherwise it's all broken. If we do this, I strongly vote in favour of whatever clusterfuck they did in the Senators/Lightning/Sharks drafts, and not this new "Vegas has a Cup contender in season 1" bullshit.
I guess the trade-off of this is the 1st overall pick the following year is pretty much guarenteed to go to the expansion team(s), and that might piss teams off.
New thought, unrelated, but more teams also makes it harder to win. Do people really want to be making it harder to win when they have won 0 Cups and might just start making progress now? (A team like Pens or Leafs come to mind there, teams that just loaded up a ton this past season and have no Cups).
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on May 7, 2020 22:41:08 GMT -5
Hard and fast rule: Expansion teams must suck, otherwise it's all broken. If we do this, I strongly vote in favour of whatever clusterfuck they did in the Senators/Lightning/Sharks drafts, and not this new "Vegas has a Cup contender in season 1" bullshit. I guess the trade-off of this is the 1st overall pick the following year is pretty much guarenteed to go to the expansion team(s), and that might piss teams off. New thought, unrelated, but more teams also makes it harder to win. Do people really want to be making it harder to win when they have won 0 Cups and might just start making progress now? (A team like Pens or Leafs come to mind there, teams that just loaded up a ton this past season and have no Cups). My wife says I have at LEAST B cups. |
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on May 7, 2020 22:45:22 GMT -5
Hard and fast rule: Expansion teams must suck, otherwise it's all broken. If we do this, I strongly vote in favour of whatever clusterfuck they did in the Senators/Lightning/Sharks drafts, and not this new "Vegas has a Cup contender in season 1" bullshit. I guess the trade-off of this is the 1st overall pick the following year is pretty much guarenteed to go to the expansion team(s), and that might piss teams off. New thought, unrelated, but more teams also makes it harder to win. Do people really want to be making it harder to win when they have won 0 Cups and might just start making progress now? (A team like Pens or Leafs come to mind there, teams that just loaded up a ton this past season and have no Cups). My wife says I have at LEAST B cups. I think you were looking for Jet's nipple thread. This is the expansion thread. |
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Post by Ottawa Senators on May 7, 2020 22:49:12 GMT -5
1. Call me crazy, but is 32 teams possible? 21 now, plus San Jose, Ottawa, Tampa, Florida, Anaheim, Nashville, Atlanta, Columbus, Minnesota (?) Then also Colorado and Pheonix/Arizona? Maybe relocating Minnesota Wild to Dallas when the Wild come in (or sooner?). North Stars/Wild might be the most difficult issue to deal with. Expansion draft(s) would be hella fun IMO, and a more accurate representation of the NHL in the 90s. We could go with a simplified version of the real life rules. I wont comment again, no comment. I'm a Sens fan, all my favourite Sens are starting to come into the league. I'd love a chance to be the Sens and try to put together a dream team in the era I started watching. I've also never been in a league that's had an expansion draft. This league is already a really unique and fun experience and I think expansion would just be another amazing part of it. If it makes sense to do so, but I don't really see how it would. Just cause a bad team plays 78s doesn't mean other teams should give up more players. If a team is giving up like an 85 player in the draft (implicit in the having 82s benched) why should they also have to give up more just because a few teams are really bad? The bad teams are benefiting cause they's giving up a bad player. If the 78 is worth keeping they can protect them. nope lol Might have to be every year if we're catching up to the NHL's timetable lol. Maybe bring in two teams every other season? but we like him anyway |
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Post by Minnesota Wild on May 7, 2020 22:53:55 GMT -5
1. Call me crazy, but is 32 teams possible? 21 now, plus San Jose, Ottawa, Tampa, Florida, Anaheim, Nashville, Atlanta, Columbus, Minnesota (?) Then also Colorado and Pheonix/Arizona? Maybe relocating Minnesota Wild to Dallas when the Wild come in (or sooner?). North Stars/Wild might be the most difficult issue to deal with. Expansion draft(s) would be hella fun IMO, and a more accurate representation of the NHL in the 90s. We could go with a simplified version of the real life rules. I'd probably switch teams if I end up going to Dallas. Dallas sucks. Texas sucks. |
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on May 7, 2020 22:56:37 GMT -5
1. Call me crazy, but is 32 teams possible? 21 now, plus San Jose, Ottawa, Tampa, Florida, Anaheim, Nashville, Atlanta, Columbus, Minnesota (?) Then also Colorado and Pheonix/Arizona? Maybe relocating Minnesota Wild to Dallas when the Wild come in (or sooner?). North Stars/Wild might be the most difficult issue to deal with. Expansion draft(s) would be hella fun IMO, and a more accurate representation of the NHL in the 90s. We could go with a simplified version of the real life rules. I'd probably switch teams if I end up going to Dallas. Dallas sucks. Texas sucks. Expand Dallas in, like Colorado. We can have 2 Minnesota teams. We have 2 New York teams. |
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Post by Ottawa Senators on May 7, 2020 23:04:09 GMT -5
Expand Dallas in, like Colorado. We can have 2 Minnesota teams. We have 2 New York teams. So we have the Dallas Stars, the Minnesota North Stars, and the Minnesota Wild? Another option could be to expand to 30, and have a vote on which 9 teams come in |
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Post by Minnesota Wild on May 7, 2020 23:07:50 GMT -5
I'll be the GM of the Minnesota North Stars, Minnesota Wild and Minnesota Timberwolves.
Then in 1 season, The North Stars will fold and the Timberwolves will return to the NBA.
And the Minnesota Wild will become the Minnesorta North Wild Wolves.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on May 8, 2020 6:08:38 GMT -5
I don't like 1b. Fans in Quebec aren't coming to our games no more, we want a committed fan base like Colorado.
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