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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins on Apr 15, 2020 14:16:30 GMT -5
Apr 15, 2020 2:05:40 GMT -4 Edmonton Oilers said: (putting this here for reference and cleanliness. If you can get someone else in a deal that works better for you, do that. I like Fuhr.) To  Grant Fuhr 92 G 7 YR Rick Tocchet 84 F 9 YR Mike Ricci 84 F 14 YR 2000, 2001, or 2002 Conditional 1st Round Pick* 2000 pick was (Justin Williams 85 F 25 YR) To  Peter Forsberg 93 F 18 YR Craig MacTavish 84 F 4 YR Alexander Daigle 83 F 13 YR Petr Svoboda 81 D 8 YR Clauses & conditions: - If Pittsburgh Penguins does not win a cup with Grant Fuhr, this pick comes into play. Pick to be selected by Pittsburgh Penguins at the conclusion of the 1999-2000 season. Void if Fuhr is traded prior to retirement. - Edmonton Oilers keeps Pens roster page up to date Penguins won the cup, and thus the pick was returned. |
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Post by Pittsburgh Penguins on Apr 15, 2020 14:16:53 GMT -5
no one with a better goalie has replied to my inboxes
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Apr 15, 2020 14:27:29 GMT -5
Reject for reasons stated in other garbage trade
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Apr 15, 2020 14:32:06 GMT -5
It's a different trade. You need to give a valid reason as to why you feel this is not a suitable trade based on the following criteria:
1. Pens has stated and shopped openly for a 92+ goaltender. Currently, this is the only one on the market, despite Caps insisting he's shopping Brodeur, though I feel he is not.
2. Pens is upgrading his net with the 4th/5th highest ranked goalie in the league, and is upgrading all other positions in the same deal, at the cost of 1 supreme player who is underperforming.
You can hate the trade all you want, but if you are going to reject it, the rejection has to be valid or I'm throwing it out. I've maintained the stance we aren't going to fuck people here, but we're also going to not fuck over people trying to enjoy the site.
The trade that was rejected is NOT this trade.
This trade is modified, includes 1 less participating trade partner, and has conditional pick attached. Be clear with your rejection, if you do, in fact, reject the trade.
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Post by Mighty Ducks of Anaheim on Apr 15, 2020 14:41:09 GMT -5
i think the trad is actually kinda good for pens? might be in minorty?
mayb people wuld be mor comfortbl if it was foppa 93 instad of sakic 94?
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Post by xx - Former Calgary Flames on Apr 15, 2020 14:44:12 GMT -5
I reject this trade merely on the basis of goalie hoarding, so this reject doesn't officially count.
Should move Barrasso immediately at this point.
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Post by Mighty Ducks of Anaheim on Apr 15, 2020 14:50:26 GMT -5
but ya if he did that he culd do mov barasso for somethin good or hav best 1-2 goalie in league? maybe rangrs is close or bettr? belfour/vanbies
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Apr 15, 2020 15:01:21 GMT -5
I think the trade, as it is now, is acceptable. Joe Sakic 94 F 16 YR -> Grant Fuhr 92 G 7 YR (Fuhr just won the Jennings, is very high rated goaltender on a site that lacks excellence in goaltending, but Sakic has a decade left on him, though he is seriously underperforming) Craig MacTavish 84 F 4 YR -> Rick Tocchet 84 F 9 YR (Everyone makes that trade, I don't care who you are, and it adds some value back to the years lost on Sakic for Fuhr) Mike Ricci 84 F 14 YR -> Alexander Daigle 83 F 13 YR (Again, every single one of you makes that trade, if not, you're lying to yourself) Petr Svoboda 81 D 8 YR -> 2000, 2001, or 2002 Conditional 1st Round Pick It's clear what Pittsburgh Penguins wants is a Stanley Cup. As he said, this would give him a 90+ player at every single position on his team, and should be a clear path to Cup contention for the next 7 years. If he wins a cup, he gets everything he wanted. If he doesn't, then when Sakic has 9/8/7 years left in this league, he gets to pick up a first round pick, and even gets to determine which draft year he wants it in. That means, every season, he gets to see where the Oilers finish in the standings, and if they suck, and he hasn't won a cup, he gets to cash in on a high draft pick. Svoboda is the gamble offer on that part of the trade, and the dude isn't even cracking Pens top 6 D. I accept this trade. But with what Caps said, I agree, if Pens/Oilers wanted to do this for one of Sakic or Forsberg, I would be fine with either. Forsberg is more palatable because he's 1 overall less, but either way, it's still a fine enough trade. |
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Post by XX - Former Canadiens - XX on Apr 15, 2020 15:57:57 GMT -5
no one with a better goalie has replied to my inboxes You have Barrasso........ Fuhr isn’t even the starter in Edmonton if he was his numbers would be worse. He has been starting Potvin. And for whatever reason in this league if you go through the stats the backup has better numbers than the starters. Edmonton wants this trade because he knows his team is fucked in 3 years if he doesn’t trade one of his goalies. Look at his retirements coming up. If you’re wanting Fuhr you shouldn’t be having to give up your highest rated guy to a team who isn’t even starting him. He’s taking advantage of you when you should have him by the balls. |
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Post by Mighty Ducks of Anaheim on Apr 15, 2020 16:05:11 GMT -5
so i gies we can jus trade roy and brodeur for 81 overal guys cuz out backups are better? Wtf?
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Apr 15, 2020 16:07:35 GMT -5
no one with a better goalie has replied to my inboxes You have Barrasso........ Fuhr isn’t even the starter in Edmonton if he was his numbers would be worse. He has been starting Potvin. And for whatever reason in this league if you go through the stats the backup has better numbers than the starters. Edmonton wants this trade because he knows his team is fucked in 3 years if he doesn’t trade one of his goalies. Look at his retirements coming up. If you’re wanting Fuhr you shouldn’t be having to give up your highest rated guy to a team who isn’t even starting him. He’s taking advantage of you when you should have him by the balls. Yup, rejecting this trade multiple times over |
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Post by XX - Former Canadiens - XX on Apr 15, 2020 16:07:40 GMT -5
so i gies we can jus trade roy and brodeur for 81 overal guys cuz out backups are better? Wtf? I just browsed the stats to see the difference between Barrasso and Fuhr and seems like the more games you play the worse your gaa is. That’s when I realized oilers had been starting Potvin over Fuhr. |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Apr 15, 2020 16:08:03 GMT -5
so i gies we can jus trade roy and brodeur for 81 overal guys cuz out backups are better? Wtf? You actually play Brodeur as your starter. Fuhr has been the backup in Edmonton. |
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Post by Ottawa Senators on Apr 15, 2020 16:11:11 GMT -5
I would accept if the conditions were removed from the pick.
Its not TOO terrible, since half Oiler's team will have retired by the time the draft happens. But I think cup or not they should get the pick, cause with no pick this trade WOULD be terrible.
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Post by Mighty Ducks of Anaheim on Apr 15, 2020 16:17:31 GMT -5
so i gies we can jus trade roy and brodeur for 81 overal guys cuz out backups are better? Wtf? You actually play Brodeur as your starter. Fuhr has been the backup in Edmonton. He plays all his goalies almost equal Ya all starts face more so more chancs to get scord on than backups? Is montreal offerin price for sakic then |
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