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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 9, 2022 8:33:25 GMT -5
Did you ask for that opportunity?
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Sept 9, 2022 8:37:43 GMT -5
I sort of made a complaint about one of them and all I got was my comment liked lol
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 9, 2022 8:38:54 GMT -5
and in this instance, the member was more resistant to the deal. i highly doubt i would fuck you over if you really didnt want a trade to go through on misinformation
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Sept 9, 2022 8:49:10 GMT -5
The way I learned over the years was once a deal is done it's done. If you missed something that's your own fault for not doing the research.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 9, 2022 9:21:11 GMT -5
Tagged you on a few rejected trades because I was curious how many times this has happened. The exact issue of YRs being wrong happened once before that lead to a trade not going through when doing the evaluation.
Many, many instances of people not having updated rosters and people trading players they didn't even have. I consider that to be more problematic, but in the same vein of not having updated rosters and thus not really negotiating in "good faith". I am sure there are examples in approved trades where YRs were wrong, but teams typically will still accept, maybe reluctantly, but they were processed without cause for concern.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Sept 9, 2022 9:37:21 GMT -5
Teams traded players/picks they don't have is very different from this instance as those players/picks are legitimately not theirs to trade lol. The one instance of an age fuck up wasn't even either team backing out, Rangers said it sucked but was fine with it. The trade was rejected because Justin saw it as a full trade rape which I fully agree with him on.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 9, 2022 10:13:07 GMT -5
My point maintained that people fail to update their rosters all the time. A lot of times, it causes them to re-trade something they don't have, but misinforming others is why we post the Master Rosters every off-season. The master roster wasn't up by the time this trade was made. Jets made the offer in error, Pens accepted the offer in good faith, and human error caused this deal to be retracted.
I think that is a very fair process. Both teams can rework, but it also doesn't force the team that is trading the best assets in the deal to be "stuck" with something because the site (master roster page) and the team (Jets) did not have accurate information available to him at the time of the deal.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Sept 9, 2022 10:47:55 GMT -5
All I'm saying is I was never given that option and it's quite hypocritical for somebody who has done it to multiple teams is complaining about it now especially when the deal is still majorly in his favour.
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Post by New York Rangers on Sept 9, 2022 11:10:38 GMT -5
At this point it is what it is. It's happened. It's done. We can argue all we want one way or another or we can let it go and start the season.  |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 9, 2022 11:40:57 GMT -5
All I'm saying is I was never given that option and it's quite hypocritical for somebody who has done it to multiple teams is complaining about it now especially when the deal is still majorly in his favour. That's a heavy critical assessment of one of our members, so I did research on that as well, since you've brought it up a lot. First, the "majorly in his favour" is your opinion and not his on this trade. But let's look at all the times Penguins somehow had a trade approved despite being dishonest (unintentionally, just like Jets) about the YRs. History of Pens Trades3 Trades in all of 2022:Pens makes a trade with Bruins - no issues. This is his only other trade posted on the site in the past 8 months. January - Pens makes a trade with Minnesota - no issues. January - Pens makes a trade with Flyers - no issues. 2 Trades in all of 2021:December - Pens makes trade with Colorado - no issues. December - Pens makes trade with Toronto - no issues. He's made 5 trades in almost 2 full calendar years. 11 Trades in all of 2020:December - Pens makes trade with Rangers - no issues. December - Pens makes trade with Oilers - no issues. December - Pens makes 3-way trade with Habs and Blues - no issues. December - Pens makes trade with Detroit - no issues. October - Pens makes 3-way trade with Leafs and Oilers - no issues. August - Pens makes trade with Ducks - Ducks made an error.June - Pens makes trade with Oilers - no issues. May - Pens makes trade with Sabres - no issues. April - Pens makes trade with Devils - no issues. April - Pens makes trade with Oilers - no issues. February - Pens makes trade with Colorado - Colorado made an error.TRADE 1 - February 2020nhl90.proboards.com/thread/685/qbc-pit-blockbusterError: Colorado In this trade, YOU corrected the YR on Yashin. Yashin was your player. Pens had agreed to a trade prior to it being posted believing Yashin's YR was 17, but it was actually 16, and corrected by you when it was posted and Pens accepted it. Odd. TRADE 2 - August 2020nhl90.proboards.com/thread/1629/penguins-quackpitals-birdbuster?page=1Error: Anaheim In this trade, Anaheim accidentally posted a non-resolved offer before updating the trade with the agreed upon offer.
There you go. Pens Roster has either been updated by me or by Edmonton Oilers at the request of Penguins. He has issues formatting stuff on a phone, as discussed on trades made in the first month or two of the site's existence, and was resolved there after. In NO POSTED TRADE, neither approved nor rejected, did Penguins ever have misinformation on one of his players. The only instance of a player's YR being wrong in a POSTED trade with Pens was actually by Colorado. Ironic. |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Sept 9, 2022 12:03:12 GMT -5
All I'm saying is I was never given that option and it's quite hypocritical for somebody who has done it to multiple teams is complaining about it now especially when the deal is still majorly in his favour. That's a heavy critical assessment of one of our members, so I did research on that as well, since you've brought it up a lot. First, the "majorly in his favour" is your opinion and not his on this trade. But let's look at all the times Penguins somehow had a trade approved despite being dishonest (unintentionally, just like Jets) about the YRs. History of Pens Trades3 Trades in all of 2022:Pens makes a trade with Bruins - no issues. This is his only other trade posted on the site in the past 8 months. January - Pens makes a trade with Minnesota - no issues. January - Pens makes a trade with Flyers - no issues. 2 Trades in all of 2021:December - Pens makes trade with Colorado - no issues. December - Pens makes trade with Toronto - no issues. He's made 5 trades in almost 2 full calendar years. 11 Trades in all of 2020:December - Pens makes trade with Rangers - no issues. December - Pens makes trade with Oilers - no issues. December - Pens makes 3-way trade with Habs and Blues - no issues. December - Pens makes trade with Detroit - no issues. October - Pens makes 3-way trade with Leafs and Oilers - no issues. August - Pens makes trade with Ducks - Ducks made an error.June - Pens makes trade with Oilers - no issues. May - Pens makes trade with Sabres - no issues. April - Pens makes trade with Devils - no issues. April - Pens makes trade with Oilers - no issues. February - Pens makes trade with Colorado - Colorado made an error.TRADE 1 - February 2020nhl90.proboards.com/thread/685/qbc-pit-blockbusterError: Colorado In this trade, YOU corrected the YR on Yashin. Yashin was your player. Pens had agreed to a trade prior to it being posted believing Yashin's YR was 17, but it was actually 16, and corrected by you when it was posted and Pens accepted it. Odd. TRADE 2 - August 2020nhl90.proboards.com/thread/1629/penguins-quackpitals-birdbuster?page=1Error: Anaheim In this trade, Anaheim accidentally posted a non-resolved offer before updating the trade with the agreed upon offer.
There you go. Pens Roster has either been updated by me or by Edmonton Oilers at the request of Penguins. He has issues formatting stuff on a phone, as discussed on trades made in the first month or two of the site's existence, and was resolved there after. In NO POSTED TRADE, neither approved nor rejected, did Penguins ever have misinformation on one of his players. The only instance of a player's YR being wrong in a POSTED trade with Pens was actually by Colorado. Ironic. That's not correct at all though lol. I even noted that I made Yashin a year younger because our rosters weren't updated, which was true. But his wasn't updated by two years. The frustrating part about that was I paid beyond an arm and a leg in that deal, set up Pens for the majority of the site and all he had to do was give me the correct ages and he couldn't even do that. And sure, I guess this deal being heavily in his favour is my opinion but I think just about everybody here can agree that he's getting more than enough in return with just Visnovsky and Perron let alone everybody else. And then on top of that he mismanages his roster, trades all of his picks for players, lets them retire and then has the audacity to say hey, I don't have good roster players anymore so I'm going to claim these players from FA because I mismanaged my roster but that's not my problem and the league should let me have these players. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 9, 2022 12:15:54 GMT -5
That's not correct at all though lol. I even noted that I made Yashin a year younger because our rosters weren't updated, which was true. But his wasn't updated by two years. The frustrating part about that was I paid beyond an arm and a leg in that deal, set up Pens for the majority of the site and all he had to do was give me the correct ages and he couldn't even do that. And sure, I guess this deal being heavily in his favour is my opinion but I think just about everybody here can agree that he's getting more than enough in return with just Visnovsky and Perron let alone everybody else. And then on top of that he mismanages his roster, trades all of his picks for players, lets them retire and then has the audacity to say hey, I don't have good roster players anymore so I'm going to claim these players from FA because I mismanaged my roster but that's not my problem and the league should let me have these players. LOL yes it is. All of it is correct. In the POSTED trade with you and Pens, it doesn't say his wasn't updated for 2 years. And even if it wasn't updated for 2 years, that information was KNOWN before it was posted, so the POSTED trade was accurate EXCEPT you saying that one player was inaccurate and corrected. The rest of that comment is just your gripe on player evaluation and has nothing to do with Byron's "professional character" on the site, which you have attacked endlessly in this chat. You attach Byron's credibility for correct YRs in an instance where he wasn't the one at fault, and you complain you paid him too much. Seems personal. |
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Sept 9, 2022 12:35:41 GMT -5
That's not correct at all though lol. I even noted that I made Yashin a year younger because our rosters weren't updated, which was true. But his wasn't updated by two years. The frustrating part about that was I paid beyond an arm and a leg in that deal, set up Pens for the majority of the site and all he had to do was give me the correct ages and he couldn't even do that. And sure, I guess this deal being heavily in his favour is my opinion but I think just about everybody here can agree that he's getting more than enough in return with just Visnovsky and Perron let alone everybody else. And then on top of that he mismanages his roster, trades all of his picks for players, lets them retire and then has the audacity to say hey, I don't have good roster players anymore so I'm going to claim these players from FA because I mismanaged my roster but that's not my problem and the league should let me have these players. LOL yes it is. All of it is correct. In the POSTED trade with you and Pens, it doesn't say his wasn't updated for 2 years. And even if it wasn't updated for 2 years, that information was KNOWN before it was posted, so the POSTED trade was accurate EXCEPT you saying that one player was inaccurate and corrected. The rest of that comment is just your gripe on player evaluation and has nothing to do with Byron's "professional character" on the site, which you have attacked endlessly in this chat. You attach Byron's credibility for correct YRs in an instance where he wasn't the one at fault, and you complain you paid him too much. Seems personal. Dude, I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. Posted trade: Sakic 18 YR Forsberg 20 YR Chelios 19 YR Yashin 16 YR (in my PM with Pens I included the spiel of adding a year to his age since neither roster was updated) Foote 20 YR Lemieux 16 YR Jagr 28 YR S3 Master Rosters: Sakic 17 YR Forsberg 19 YR Chelios 18 YR Yashin 15 YR Foote 19 YR Lemieux 14 YR Jagr 26 YR |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Sept 9, 2022 12:52:53 GMT -5
That's fine. I am saying that even "stretching" it, those are the ONLY 2 posted trades errors involving Pens on the entire existence of this site.
And you are claiming it has happened multiple times, when it literally never has, and the only time it was even close to being an error was YOU posting in a trade that you adjusted something to be accurate.
Anyways, none of this was done to attack anyone. I just don't think it's fair to criticize and make claims against another member, especially one that is inactive and isn't here all the time to defend himself, over things that literally aren't true.
Byron doesn't update his roster, we all know that, but he doesn't actively have trades all over the place where his information is wrong, and it's not fair to attack him on literal fake news.
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Post by Colorado Avalanche on Sept 9, 2022 13:24:34 GMT -5
That's fine. I am saying that even "stretching" it, those are the ONLY 2 posted trades errors involving Pens on the entire existence of this site. And you are claiming it has happened multiple times, when it literally never has, and the only time it was even close to being an error was YOU posting in a trade that you adjusted something to be accurate. Mike, that post in the trade was FROM THE INITIAL POST. There was no edit to fix Yashin's age, it was posted like that because my ages were all a year behind and to make it easier for Byron to update his roster since all of his ages were a year behind as well (or so I thought) I made Yashin a year behind, which Byron was aware of from my initial offer to him. As for the multiple trades with inaccurate information, I will apologize. I could've sworn I remembered a couple guys complaining about his years not being updated but I was wrong and I will apologize for that. |
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