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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Feb 18, 2020 17:13:10 GMT -5
Do I need to include a #sarcasm? Or is mocking a player who assaults people not allowed? maybe need to include it with the the recent Kobe thread. Kobe may have been an alleged rapist, but at least he never licked someone during a game. |
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Post by Los Angeles Kings on Feb 18, 2020 17:39:15 GMT -5
maybe need to include it with the the recent Kobe thread. Kobe may have been an alleged rapist, but at least he never licked someone during a game. Now it's alleged, eh  I haven't licked anyone playing hockey, nor would I, so I can't say it's a something I'd do myself. But in his / a Sean Avery lite type mind, he wants to cross the line as much as possible to throw you off your game and will go to the extreme. |
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Feb 18, 2020 19:40:57 GMT -5
I haven't licked anyone playing hockey, nor would I, so I can't say it's a something I'd do myself. But in his / a Sean Avery lite type mind, he wants to cross the line as much as possible to throw you off your game and will go to the extreme. I understand. I also understand he has a "do anything to win" mentality, and doesn't mind crossing lines to do it. I do not respect that, whether it be Marchand licking someone, or another player stomping on a player when they are down, or someone intentionally running someone's goalie to try to bring about an injury. I respect people who win the game with integrity. Not people who assault others to try to win, whether it be to injure them or "throw them off their game". |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres on Feb 19, 2020 11:49:11 GMT -5
I guess that depends on where you think the line is. Imo, intent to injure is a lot different than licking someone. I would not consider this assault, a legal body check is closer by definition to assault, or at very least minimum. We can talk about taking hitting out of the game if you don’t want assaults.
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Feb 19, 2020 12:29:31 GMT -5
I guess that depends on where you think the line is. Imo, intent to injure is a lot different than licking someone. I would not consider this assault, a legal body check is closer by definition to assault, or at very least minimum. We can talk about taking hitting out of the game if you don’t want assaults. That's untrue. Hitting is part of the game, so it is what is legally refered to as an "assumed risk". You know you will get hit, and you know you CAN get hit with a puck or something playing. So no one is liable. HOWEVER, being fucking licked is not an assumed risk in hockey. In the rest of the world, if you lick a stranger, you can be charged with assault. It should be applicable in hockey as well, as it is not part of the assumed risk inherant to the game. (And before we go there, stomps, McSorelys, and Todd Bertuzzi's are not assumed risks either - those are criminals committing crimes) |
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Post by Buffalo Sabres on Feb 19, 2020 12:48:27 GMT -5
Your statement is true, but it accepts that assault is accepted within the sport as ‘assumed risk.’ It’s hard to Complain about other assaults that are minimal in the real world compared to the ‘legal assault’ is acceptable within the sport. The sport was built on assaulting people lol
And if we want more real world examples, I think we’d both agree historically that ‘just because it’s the law, doesn’t make it ethical’
Anyways, as I’ve said, it’s not something I would do
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Post by Buffalo Sabres on Feb 19, 2020 12:52:02 GMT -5
Your statement is true, but it accepts that assault is accepted within the sport as ‘assumed risk.’ It’s hard to Complain about other assaults that are minimal in the real world compared to the ‘legal assault’ is acceptable within the sport. The sport was built on assaulting people lol
And if we want more real world examples, I think we’d both agree historically that ‘just because it’s the law, doesn’t make it ethical’
Anyways, as I’ve said, it’s not something I would do
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Post by Detroit Red Wings on Feb 19, 2020 13:00:00 GMT -5
It's weird to read people justifying other people licking people lol.
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Post by Buffalo Sabres on Feb 19, 2020 14:36:28 GMT -5
Meh, I’d rather get licked than have Shea Weber contribute to my CTE in the future, but that’s just me
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Post by Detroit Red Wings on Feb 19, 2020 16:09:46 GMT -5
Meh, I’d rather get licked than have Shea Weber contribute to my CTE in the future, but that’s just me I second that. |
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Feb 19, 2020 17:15:11 GMT -5
Again, assumed risk vs. out of the ordinary assault. If you don't want to get concussed, don't play in the NHL.
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Post by Los Angeles Kings on Feb 20, 2020 11:07:00 GMT -5
Again, assumed risk vs. out of the ordinary assault. If you don't want to get concussed, don't play in the NHL. I'd argue they aren't educated on the true nature of brain damage. You also 'assume' the league is going to take of you, not clear you after your 12th, 13th, 14th concussions, all that take place within a short span, that eventually lead to you killing yourself. That's the reality of the sport, or is that assumed risk? |
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Feb 20, 2020 16:04:37 GMT -5
Again, assumed risk vs. out of the ordinary assault. If you don't want to get concussed, don't play in the NHL. I'd argue they aren't educated on the true nature of brain damage. You also 'assume' the league is going to take of you, not clear you after your 12th, 13th, 14th concussions, all that take place within a short span, that eventually lead to you killing yourself. That's the reality of the sport, or is that assumed risk? All of that is outside of the scope of assumed risk. The assumption of risk is anything that is actually part of the thing you are doing. Anything related to NHL, or injury management is a completely different thing than the assumption of risk. Generally, in hockey, the assumption of risk doesn't change from the time you are 4 to the time you retire. You step on the ice, you might get hit by pucks, bodychecked, collided with, etc. Extra things like people jumping on your back and riding your face to the ice are not part of the assumed risks of hockey. Neither is licking, or someone taking off their skate and trying to stab someone. |
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Post by Los Angeles Kings on Feb 21, 2020 12:43:47 GMT -5
I disagree completely, but we'll leave it at that. The assumption of risk is completely different from 4 years olds to playing rep as a child, to junior, to professional. Hell, there's a different assumption of risk overseas than in the North American game.
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Feb 21, 2020 13:04:05 GMT -5
I disagree completely, but we'll leave it at that. The assumption of risk is completely different from 4 years olds to playing rep as a child, to junior, to professional. Hell, there's a different assumption of risk overseas than in the North American game. Yeah, I overstated things there. Some assumption of risk (getting hit by a puck, cut with a skate, falling, collided with, etc) is universal. Body contact varies. But since you can clearly define that there is a difference between rep, junior, and overseas vs. NA, you (and all of us) still have a clear idea about what you can expect when you step on the ice. |
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