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[Buffalo Sabres]

Jan 10, 2020 13:15:08 GMT -5 XX - Kruze - XX said:

Jan 10, 2020 13:02:21 GMT -5 Buffalo Sabres said:

I think we should introduce a rule where teams say if they want/need their trades to be reviewed. New members (to hockey sims in general) should automatically have to be evaluated, but from my understanding, these are two GMs with nearly a decade of experience. If they make a bad trade, it's on them at this point.

If you're dealing with only primary teams, sure... that's fine.

We just shouldn't be able to go strip mine non-GM teams for their depth by dangling a 95 in front of them and leaving them with, effectively, 2 really good players, in this case Messier & Hextall, and virtually nothing else.

You're talking like we're about to get a wave of new members.


You're really tempting me to put an offer together for Wayne. 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I'll do Sakic, Forsberg and Chelios for Gretzky

[Toronto Maple Leafs]

Here is what I wrote to Kruze in a PM because I think these details are also pretty important:

Totally understand your take. I really do. But we're talking about Justin. Look at what we do on ManMMA. We literally gut our teams to make other people happy. I'm not concerned for two reasons:

1. We don't really have a lot of members knocking on our door right now, so the guy who is using Philly as his second team is just enjoying and trying to bulk up the front end of his club.

2. Justin collects random dudes he likes just like you do. If you tried to make this deal because you loved all these random 80 guys, knowing we're doing a draft right now that hasn't even dipped under an 88 through 7 picks, then you can see the long-term impact those lower end guys sort of won't actually have, while Messier will stay a 95 for a long, long time.

3. If anyone knocked on Justin's door for those guys he would just look for other guys he likes on another team.

I also think it's great that he isn't locking someone down forever. You've chosen to do that with Gretzky and that's totally cool, but if Gretzky is never moving, and Mario is potentially never moving, then literally the highest overall and acquireable player on the site is going for a payment that is high, sure, but literally no one on the site will be able to acquire anyone BETTER than him.

That technically makes Messier the most valuable asset on the entire site. And someone is offering a bunch of 80s who over-performed for him.

[Chicago Blackhawks]

I still think its fair. I'll be rebuilding around Messier for the next few years

[xx - Former Calgary Flames]

Again.... MARK Howe, it's not even his cooler brother Marty.

[Minnesota Wild]

I don't understand why some of you think this sets a "precedent."

No, no it doesn't. If I have a player I want to trade, I know what I want for him. You can't tell me, "oh well lol look at the Phi/Edm trade" and I'll tell you to shut up.

We negotiate in our own ways. Given that this league is unique, most of us will probably try and acquire players we like and want on our team. I will probably never trade Palffy. Mogilny isn't moving from Buffalo. Quebec probably won't trade some of his core. Shit, I asked about Sandstorm and you yourself Kruze said he's not moving and is unavailable.

Let them do this. It doesn't set a precedent. We've all been at this for a long time and make our own trades without looking at a 1-off that happens once every few sim seasons.

[XX - Kruze - XX]

Jan 10, 2020 13:35:14 GMT -5 Chicago Blackhawks said:

I still think its fair. I'll be rebuilding around Messier for the next few years

Build what around him though? Your only decent assets left are Hextall, Wregget, Mellanby and picks. You'd have to flip Messier to get any semblance of a team back. If you keep Messier, he'll basically be retired before that team is any good again. lol

I dunno... I get wanting certain players and stuff from Justin's perspective, but give away your whole team for 1 player is bad for the entire league, despite Messier not being "locked up", but, effectively he would be locked up after this deal by what you're saying about building around him. So, the point of him being not locked up is moot at that point.

[Toronto Maple Leafs]

You keep saying it’s bad for the entire league but not a single other team has said “no” lol

[XX - Former Canadiens - XX]

This is the one problem with this type of league. What kruze is saying is true and what everyone else is saying is true. With no upgrades you have to build your team through the draft and you only get 2 picks a year so it’s going to take a few years for philly to even resemble a team with trading away all his depth

[Toronto Maple Leafs]

Jan 10, 2020 14:03:45 GMT -5 XX - Former Canadiens - XX said:

This is the one problem with this type of league. What kruze is saying is true and what everyone else is saying is true. With no upgrades you have to build your team through the draft and you only get 2 picks a year so it’s going to take a few years for philly to even resemble a team with trading away all his depth

And yet the 5th worst team in the league went to game 7 cup finals lol

[xx - Former Calgary Flames]

Considering there's free agency as well, theres also some bug names that could come that werent drafted and were part of the Russian defection (was that still a thing after 1991?), or an elite european player undrafted dipping his toes into the NHL.

I dont know when precisely that happens, but we have to believe that portion will come soon.

[xx - Former Calgary Flames]

Bug names. I'm not fixing that because it looks funny now.

[Toronto Maple Leafs]

Jan 10, 2020 14:06:32 GMT -5 xx - Former Calgary Flames said:

Considering there's free agency as well, theres also some bug names that could come that werent drafted and were part of the Russian defection (was that still a thing after 1991?), or an elite european player undrafted dipping his toes into the NHL.

I dont know when precisely that happens, but we have to believe that portion will come soon.

Every player that was undrafted is entered into the draft year of the season they first started playing in the NHL.

All undrafted prospects at the end of the draft become free agents. So we have 42 picks, there's a list of like 70 something guys, the remaining undrafted guys are the free agents.

Doing this keeps the value in the draft and on the picks. The rest is your management of your roster.

[XX - Kruze - XX]

Jan 10, 2020 14:03:17 GMT -5 Toronto Maple Leafs said:

You keep saying it’s bad for the entire league but not a single other team has said “no” lol

Yeah they have, just for different reasons. This wouldn't be in the rejected bin if I was the only one that said no.

[xx - Former Calgary Flames]

Jan 10, 2020 14:08:05 GMT -5 Toronto Maple Leafs said:

Jan 10, 2020 14:06:32 GMT -5 xx - Former Calgary Flames said:

Considering there's free agency as well, theres also some bug names that could come that werent drafted and were part of the Russian defection (was that still a thing after 1991?), or an elite european player undrafted dipping his toes into the NHL.

I dont know when precisely that happens, but we have to believe that portion will come soon.

Every player that was undrafted is entered into the draft year of the season they first started playing in the NHL.

All undrafted prospects at the end of the draft become free agents. So we have 42 picks, there's a list of like 70 something guys, the remaining undrafted guys are the free agents.

Doing this keeps the value in the draft and on the picks. The rest is your management of your roster.

So odds are that most of the free agent class will be bottom 6 players, maybe fringe 2nd liners. That can still be built around, though.