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[Edmonton Oilers]

Jan 9, 2020 17:56:34 GMT -5 Colorado Avalanche said:

It’s still Mark Messier. Just like how I offered the moon for Lemieux and it was rejected just cause of name value. Messier is one of the greatest of all time. If he’s moved for a bunch of middle guys then this league is going to the shit.

Reject from me

It wasn't rejected, Pittsburgh Penguins asked for league input and decided not to trade him.

[Edmonton Oilers]

I will re-work this trade as a 3-way.

[XX - Kruze - XX]

I'm on the otherside of this, but it's still bad for the league. For me it's Philly trading away over half his team for one player too. Kind of ridiculous.

[Chicago Blackhawks]

I have two points

1. He offered it to me, I'm not going to say no to this

2. Two of the players he's getting were 3rd and 4th in the league with 90+ points. He probably has a better chance winning the cup next year with that pile of players than he does with Mess

[Toronto Maple Leafs]

I think what is important to remember is that we are only trying to stop trades from legitimately trashing a team, pretty much intentionally, or if someone is new or lost somehow in the shuffle of hard negotiations.

If there's no actual malice going on, this is about having fun. I think sometimes the site loses focus on that, but that's why there are admins. There is a vision of how the site should operate, and myself and Edmonton Oilers carry that.

Everyone else, for the most part, are loooooooong-time sim site players, and while this is another sim site, it's also a niche one, where we are putting together the best possible experience that we can using the subject matter of the wacky offensive 90s.

If teams wanna get freaky, let them get freaky. Your judgment isn't required. Not everyone would do every trade you do, and not everyone will do a trade I will do.

But we do the trades we want to do. And having some sort of gripe over an admin trading a star players because he's enjoying collecting guys on a full roster is pretty ridiculous.



Wants insane depth and wants 90s guys we all actually know and loved.



Wants the 2nd highest forward rated in the game.

[Detroit Red Wings]

Lots of irony in that post.

[Toronto Maple Leafs]

Jan 9, 2020 23:14:59 GMT -5 Detroit Red Wings said:

Lots of irony in that post.

Ok.

[xx - Former Calgary Flames]

You do understand that it was MARK Howe in the trade, not GORDIE, right?

[Pittsburgh Penguins]

why was I tagged here this isn't my trade???

[XX - Kruze - XX]

Getting freaky with trades is one thing, trading away half your team for 1 player, especially when the team you're trading with is your 2nd team, is completely another. Not to mention it just completely stacks the already good Oilers, who just also happens to be a co-admin of the site.

Sorry to point that out too, but, if I had a 2nd team, I wouldn't be making a trade like this for 1 player either.

1) It ruins the Flyers, that aren't that great yet as it is, and aren't someone's primary team.
2) It stacks an already good team that belongs to a co-admin, which actually looks bad on the league and gives the appearance of playing favorites.
3) It's kind of abuse of being able to trade with the non-GM teams. The purpose isn't to gut them and strip them of all they're good players. It doesn't matter how many of their players you like. There's guys on teams that I want too that I'll probably never get.

Trades like this are just bad for everyone. Not only is it overvaluing 1 player, it strips an entire secondary team of it's assets, which isn't good either. If I had the Flyers as my 2nd team, I wouldn't even consider this because it's far too much for 1 player, it ruins the Flyers, stacks the Oilers, and it sets far too high of a value on star players and makes them unattainable at all for any GM with half a brain.

[Ottawa Senators]

Jan 10, 2020 10:07:35 GMT -5 XX - Kruze - XX said:

Getting freaky with trades is one thing, trading away half your team for 1 player, especially when the team you're trading with is your 2nd team, is completely another. Not to mention it just completely stacks the already good Oilers, who just also happens to be a co-admin of the site.

Sorry to point that out too, but, if I had a 2nd team, I wouldn't be making a trade like this for 1 player either.

1) It ruins the Flyers, that aren't that great yet as it is, and aren't someone's primary team.
2) It stacks an already good team that belongs to a co-admin, which actually looks bad on the league and gives the appearance of playing favorites.
3) It's kind of abuse of being able to trade with the non-GM teams. The purpose isn't to gut them and strip them of all they're good players. It doesn't matter how many of their players you like. There's guys on teams that I want too that I'll probably never get.

Trades like this are just bad for everyone. Not only is it overvaluing 1 player, it strips an entire secondary team of it's assets, which isn't good either. If I had the Flyers as my 2nd team, I wouldn't even consider this because it's far too much for 1 player, it ruins the Flyers, stacks the Oilers, and it sets far too high of a value on star players and makes them unattainable at all for any GM with half a brain.

So its a bad trade for both sides?

[XX - Kruze - XX]

Jan 10, 2020 10:35:16 GMT -5 Ottawa Senators said:

Jan 10, 2020 10:07:35 GMT -5 XX - Kruze - XX said:

Getting freaky with trades is one thing, trading away half your team for 1 player, especially when the team you're trading with is your 2nd team, is completely another. Not to mention it just completely stacks the already good Oilers, who just also happens to be a co-admin of the site.

Sorry to point that out too, but, if I had a 2nd team, I wouldn't be making a trade like this for 1 player either.

1) It ruins the Flyers, that aren't that great yet as it is, and aren't someone's primary team.
2) It stacks an already good team that belongs to a co-admin, which actually looks bad on the league and gives the appearance of playing favorites.
3) It's kind of abuse of being able to trade with the non-GM teams. The purpose isn't to gut them and strip them of all they're good players. It doesn't matter how many of their players you like. There's guys on teams that I want too that I'll probably never get.

Trades like this are just bad for everyone. Not only is it overvaluing 1 player, it strips an entire secondary team of it's assets, which isn't good either. If I had the Flyers as my 2nd team, I wouldn't even consider this because it's far too much for 1 player, it ruins the Flyers, stacks the Oilers, and it sets far too high of a value on star players and makes them unattainable at all for any GM with half a brain.

So its a bad trade for both sides?

No. Edmonton is the only one that would win out this trade. The Flyers lose and get completely gutted in the e process, and the league loses because of the price precident set to get a star player; sending 6 80+ players to get one 90 overall player. It's ridiculous.

[Toronto Maple Leafs]

Jan 10, 2020 10:07:35 GMT -5 XX - Kruze - XX said:

Getting freaky with trades is one thing, trading away half your team for 1 player, especially when the team you're trading with is your 2nd team, is completely another. Not to mention it just completely stacks the already good Oilers, who just also happens to be a co-admin of the site.

Flyers is NOT Edmonton Oilers

Wrong again Kruze.

Also, he isn't a 90 guy, he's 95. He's literally 1 notch below Gretzky. Would you trade Gretzky for that pile?

[XX - Kruze - XX]

Jan 10, 2020 11:14:36 GMT -5 Toronto Maple Leafs said:

Jan 10, 2020 10:07:35 GMT -5 XX - Kruze - XX said:

Getting freaky with trades is one thing, trading away half your team for 1 player, especially when the team you're trading with is your 2nd team, is completely another. Not to mention it just completely stacks the already good Oilers, who just also happens to be a co-admin of the site.

Flyers is NOT Edmonton Oilers

Wrong again Kruze.

Also, he isn't a 90 guy, he's 95. He's literally 1 notch below Gretzky. Would you trade Gretzky for that pile?

1) I didn't say that Flyers was Oilers, so there's nothing to be wrong about there. Not sure where you pulled that from.

2) No, I wouldn't trade Gretzky for that pile because I believe that would be a detriment to league and wouldn't want to gut any team for 1 player. That's counter productive.

[Toronto Maple Leafs]

Yes, you did. You literally said "especially when the team you're trading with is your 2nd team." That is saying that Edmonton and Flyers are the same person, which they are not.

I'm not asking if you like that trade for the site. I'm asking you flat out, if you were offered that trade for Gretzky, would you say yes or no.