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Post by Ottawa Senators on Dec 3, 2020 8:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by Buffalo Sabres on Dec 3, 2020 8:43:59 GMT -5
He has to be joking lol
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Dec 3, 2020 8:49:33 GMT -5
I assumed he was but it is a fair point.
When I put this draft together and updated the rosters I went "oh fuck, I fucked up the first draft by not getting teams to pick by each individual year so that we don't have year over year crossovers where some teams will get depleted. Now it's going to take 2-3 drafts for me to fix this stupid problem."
That said, I also didn't want teams that had a lot of guys to just suddenly not get a chance at drafting the higher talent of this draft.
So the plan is to run about 8 rounds. Then, I'm going to best lines the teams, see who is sitting on the bench, take away a few players from the loaded teams and round out bottom of rosters of teams who may still be requiring extra players post-draft.
That said, that may not need to happen. There are like 79 players in this draft, we're doing 8 rounds of 64, that gives me a buffer of a bottom 15 prospects to flesh out remaining roster spots before we address it again next season.
It is what it is, but in a couple of seasons it will all be resolved.
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Post by Ottawa Senators on Dec 3, 2020 10:08:27 GMT -5
I assumed he was but it is a fair point. When I put this draft together and updated the rosters I went "oh fuck, I fucked up the first draft by not getting teams to pick by each individual year so that we don't have year over year crossovers where some teams will get depleted. Now it's going to take 2-3 drafts for me to fix this stupid problem." That said, I also didn't want teams that had a lot of guys to just suddenly not get a chance at drafting the higher talent of this draft. So the plan is to run about 8 rounds. Then, I'm going to best lines the teams, see who is sitting on the bench, take away a few players from the loaded teams and round out bottom of rosters of teams who may still be requiring extra players post-draft. That said, that may not need to happen. There are like 79 players in this draft, we're doing 8 rounds of 64, that gives me a buffer of a bottom 15 prospects to flesh out remaining roster spots before we address it again next season. It is what it is, but in a couple of seasons it will all be resolved. Max roster size with players dropped and a first come first served waiver pool, IMO, would be the fairest option. I specifically drafted my team so we'd be good in season two or three but not very good season one, basically planning to be a "rebuilding" team, as much as you can be without the ability to trade. Again, I don't think I should be punished for trying to do this, because I left some good players on the table to do it this way, and I was pretty open about it |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Dec 3, 2020 10:10:49 GMT -5
You are not being "punished". But we need to balance rosters otherwise the CHL is a flop. Teams that are "overflowing" with players will lose their bottom end guys. If those teams are so overflowing that they are better and win championships, then the teams that for now get table scraps to round out their teams will at least be drafting the top players, and again, after a few seasons everything will just naturally balance itself out.
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Post by Ottawa Senators on Dec 3, 2020 10:16:09 GMT -5
You are not being "punished". But we need to balance rosters otherwise the CHL is a flop. Teams that are "overflowing" with players will lose their bottom end guys. If those teams are so overflowing that they are better and win championships, then the teams that for now get table scraps to round out their teams will at least be drafting the top players, and again, after a few seasons everything will just naturally balance itself out. Oh I know I'm not being punished now, but kicking me out of the draft cause I have a full team as Edmonton Oilers more or less suggested would be a punishment. Like it wasn't rocket science to figure out guys drafted in later years would be on your team longer, idk. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Dec 3, 2020 10:19:18 GMT -5
You are not being "punished". But we need to balance rosters otherwise the CHL is a flop. Teams that are "overflowing" with players will lose their bottom end guys. If those teams are so overflowing that they are better and win championships, then the teams that for now get table scraps to round out their teams will at least be drafting the top players, and again, after a few seasons everything will just naturally balance itself out. Oh I know I'm not being punished now, but kicking me out of the draft cause I have a full team as Edmonton Oilers more or less suggested would be a punishment. Like it wasn't rocket science to figure out guys drafted in later years would be on your team longer, idk. It wasn't rocket science, but I still didn't see it coming and that's annoying lol because it logistically makes more sense that we should've drafted each like 7-8 rounds per actual year draft so that this doesn't happen. What happens next season if a team has just the players from this draft left on their team? They would need roughly 14 players for me to be able to sim. That's the issue we are butting up against. So for now, teams are going to at least get to draft for the first few rounds so I can get an idea on how deep a team will be before I have to start plucking away their depth (bottom up) to give to a team that needs roster spots. |
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Post by Ottawa Senators on Dec 3, 2020 10:29:20 GMT -5
Oh I know I'm not being punished now, but kicking me out of the draft cause I have a full team as Edmonton Oilers more or less suggested would be a punishment. Like it wasn't rocket science to figure out guys drafted in later years would be on your team longer, idk. It wasn't rocket science, but I still didn't see it coming and that's annoying lol because it logistically makes more sense that we should've drafted each like 7-8 rounds per actual year draft so that this doesn't happen. What happens next season if a team has just the players from this draft left on their team? They would need roughly 14 players for me to be able to sim. That's the issue we are butting up against. So for now, teams are going to at least get to draft for the first few rounds so I can get an idea on how deep a team will be before I have to start plucking away their depth (bottom up) to give to a team that needs roster spots. Makes sense, but I think you should let teams drop guys rather than just taking their bottom guys. Like I'd rather keep Volchenkov over Lilja even though Lilja might be slightly higher on my depth chart. Then you could do an auxillary draft of the dropped/undrafted guys to fill the teams that need them. |
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Dec 3, 2020 11:35:37 GMT -5
If people are active enough to resolve that quickly enough with me, then yes I can do that. I don't think I'll waste my time on depth adds with a separate auxiliary draft.
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Post by Buffalo Sabres on Dec 3, 2020 12:39:33 GMT -5
I get you guys didn't see it coming, but how STL and I drafted is literally how the CHL works, and was one of the reasons I wanted to just shop St. Louis for picks.
To be quite truthful, I still think we should be allowed to keep some of our depth. It's not like EDM or PIT ever gave up depth to the other NHL teams that clearly needed it.
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Post by Toronto Maple Leafs on Dec 3, 2020 12:44:55 GMT -5
Every team, after the first draft, had 1 extra forward, 1 extra D, and we had just enough goaltenders for each team to be a playable roster (2 goalies).
As long as every team has that, I don't care how many extra players are sitting on another team.
The CHL is designed to be a fun way of getting a good group of playable 12 forwards, 6 defensemen and 2 goaltenders.
After that, the CHL is an automated league. We assigned owners to each of the 8 teams to give it some character on WHO they wanted on their team. It's not about really building a CHL dynasty (though that is part of it) but given that there is no trading (for complicated reasons) we are trying to just balance out these fake minor league teams so we can look at more cool stats.
All that to say - this isn't about YOU it's about the LEAGUE. As long as each CHL team has playable rosters, everything else can "as the cookie crumbles".
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Post by Minnesota Wild on Dec 3, 2020 16:49:07 GMT -5
Tuomo Ruutu
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Post by XX - Hoofhearted - XX on Dec 3, 2020 17:30:33 GMT -5
I didn't realize that anybody actually cared about this CHL part. I was just filling a roster and couldn't care less what happens in it lol
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Dec 3, 2020 19:28:11 GMT -5
It's not like EDM or PIT ever gave up depth to the other NHL teams that clearly needed it. Cups Finals for Edmonton PLUS Pittsburgh COMBINED: 0 Cups for St. Louis PLUS Buffalo Combined: 2 Cup FINAL appearances for St. Louis and Buffalo combines: 5 I'm not saying your complaint about depth is invalid...but statistically...it's pretty fucking invalid. |
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Post by Edmonton Oilers on Dec 3, 2020 19:31:45 GMT -5
If cook/sting doesn't care about this, I've leave it, because I don't really care either.
Logically, its stupid that teams who JUST drafted someone should be "punished" (since Blues likes using that word) for the CHL not coming into the league 3 seasons earlier so we could get 3 full seasons out of our stars.
And as I said, that will be the last I say about this, as I don't care on a caring level - just on a "logically, people are getting fucked and people should not be getting fucked on a game" level.
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